Interview with "Year of the Rat" Author Edward Timperlake

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Edward Timperlake, co-author of "Year of the Rat," the book that connected the dots of Chinagate, was interviewed in an American Investigator network television expose last week about a new tape that has surfaced that establishes conclusively the time frame of the Clinton-China connection as starting before the 1992 election.

The Washington Weekly caught up with Timperlake before the airing of the expose to ask him about the new tape as well as the revelation in the New York Times last week that the Chinese may have obtained virtually all U.S. nuclear weapons secrets in recent years. In light of these revelations, we asked Timperlake to reassess the nature of the ties between Bill Clinton and the Chinese military.

TIMPERLAKE: The PRC issue is breaking very quickly and there's a lot more to come. It took about 3 months to get to this point where the American Investigator ran an expose on network television this week. It took a while, but we found a home video of Charlie Trie going off shore in 1992 before Clinton was elected president. At that time Clinton had been nominated as the Democratic candidate for President. And Trie goes off shore to China, identifies himself as Clinton's key guy, he's meeting with Chinese officials -- we have tape of this -- and the Arkansas crowd attending the meeting says that Bill Clinton's policy for China could be affected by Chinese officials.

QUESTION: Considering that Johnny Chung has identified several channels of communication between the Chinese military and president Clinton, how close do you think that Clinton is to the Chinese military?

TIMPERLAKE: Very close. Here's the reason why. Johnny Chung, who is a hustler, was picked because he figured out that the administration would take money for access. By our analysis, it looks like Chinese military intelligence saw that Johnny Chung was a clever fellow who knew how to work Bill Clinton. So Lieut. Col. Liu was assigned his case officer to recruit him.

Her trade craft broke down, however, because in order to recruit Chung she brought him offshore and introduced Chung to Major General, I believe, Ji. And Ji is the famous fellow reported in the paper as saying: "We like your president" and he indicated that they had other individuals or channels of money. That happened several times.

Now, General Ji reports to the deputy chief of staff for intelligence, a four star, who got there by providing agent provocateurs and discrediting the students who were at Tiananmen in 1989. That's what his job was, to get those poor kids. He's the gentleman who threatened to nuke Los Angeles over the Taiwan issue, that's the guy who did that. He is the ultimate spy master. His major general is general Ji, who met personally with Johnny Chung and Lieut. Col. Liu--by our count three times. They created a shell corporation called Marchwell to buy Lieut. Col. Liu access to President Clinton twice. And through a contribution to Senator Kerry of Massachusetts, she managed to meet the senior executive of the Securities and Exchange Commission about placing offerings on the American stock market of PRC companies.

Now, I always thought that it was just about money, but it turns out that it was more than that. Apparently, the goal was to create a lot of shell companies in the import/export business and high-tech business so they could accomplish the goal of buying American high-tech equipment across the board, equipment like gyroscopes, computers and high tech communications equipment and flood them out of the country thereby overwhelming our safeguards, our Customs, the FBI and counter intelligence operations.

So that was the goal and we don't know how successful she was because Chung is the only person of 122 people who has actually gone in front of the grand jury and (in our opinion) told the truth. That's a very powerful statement because the rest of them, if there were a strong law enforcement operation from the Justice Department, the conspiracy would have been broken by now and we would know how bad the damage was that was done to America. It's very apparent that the Attorney General of The United States has chosen to keep her job and sacrifice America at this point.

The country is in great jeopardy, because as long as the conspiracy stands we don't know bad the damage was and we can't bring people to justice and until we bring people to justice we don't know how to rebuild the military because we don't know our total vulnerability.

Prudence dictates that we should at this point assume a worst case scenario. Everything is gone! I was director of mobilization for the Department of Defense and we looked to the fact that our technology would save us. The great strength of America is our high-tech labs and our high-tech imperative to always be on the cutting edge and that is now compromised and sold out because of Bill Clinton accepting bribes from the People's Republic of China.

TIMPERLAKE: I think the Chinese military penetrated to the highest level of the Clinton administration including the White House.

QUESTION: But the question is if president Clinton is an innocent, ignorant victim, or is he actually working on their behalf?

TIMPERLAKE: Here it comes: Ng Lap Sen, A communist Chinese official who also owns the Fortuna hotel in Macao and wired millions to Charlie Trie showed up not only in the White House but in the White House residence. Now that's a powerful statement. A communist Chinese official gangster wiring millions, his minion is a gangster who offered a bribe to the president through the president's legal defense fund. Two days after Ng Lap Sen enters the country with $75,000 in cash he's in the residence of the White House. So president Clinton has no willful blindness or deniability. He was there, he met with the fellow apparently six additional times.

TIMPERLAKE: Well, here's the argument: the Secret Service has as their sacred trust to protect the integrity and security of the President of the United States and the security of our leader, I mean the Commander-in-Chief. They would have to have known who this person was. There's no doubt in my mind that they knew exactly who this person was and the only person who could clear him in was the President of The United States. That's it.

QUESTION: So you think that president Clinton is actually working on their behalf.

TIMPERLAKE: He actually cleared this person in, because I trust the integrity and judgment of the FBI and the Secret Service. Here's the rule: Intelligence goes up and out, that's the rule of intelligence. When you get it, it goes up through the chain of command and out to the users, that's how it is. I trust the integrity of the FBI and the Secret Service. They would do due diligence, they are not weak on that, and they would brief the president or the people around him, on how bad these people were.

QUESTION: Okay. To go to the Cox report. Do you have any knowledge of the content of that?

TIMPERLAKE: Actually, it's coming out every day now like in the article in The New York Times Wednesday. The Cox report is more the catalyst for the great question that Jeff Gerth of the New York times asked which is: What did you know in the White House and what did you do about it? Because they thought that they could lay it all off on Reagan and Bush and it's not sticking any more. It is moving up much more dramatically into the Clinton administration. So the Cox report has served its purpose very effectively and the argument that I'll make is that the Cox report now is completing the technological Nexus between miniaturization of nuclear weapons, which they now have, and the upgrading of their missiles. So it's all coming together. The next decade will be a very dangerous decade for the world.

TIMPERLAKE: No, but I have had conversations with members that have read it and Duke Cunningham, the great congressman from southern California, said that the Cox report confirms everything in "The Year of The Rat," those are his words.

QUESTION: So do you think the American public will be stunned at its revelations?

TIMPERLAKE: No, that's the problem. The American public should be stunned but, I think, because of Kosovo it won't get the attention it should have. Kosovo has driven it right off the front pages even though it is a bigger treat to America by an order of magnitude.

QUESTION: Are you concerned that the most significant revelations will be redacted before release?

TIMPERLAKE: It doesn't matter, you can assume the worst! It's all over! The worst has already happened. You have to work the worst case scenario. The People's Republic of China now has every nuclear secret America has and that's a serious issue! It's not only how to build the bombs, how to test the bombs, what happens when you go down the wrong path, what is the right path, what gets you strategically more "bang for your buck." No, it's all over, truly. The worst has happened. Bill Clinton on his watch stifled investigations, stepped on individuals, his administration stepped on these individuals who were trying to do the right thing and save the world and--I don't mean to be overly dramatic--but to save the world from some very nasty countries having access to nuclear secrets and the individuals who stepped up were told not to talk to congress. They were basically told that they couldn't present their case, they were discredited, they were demoted and that's a serious charge.

QUESTION: But there has been some concern that the most important parts of the Cox report would be redacted before release.

TIMPERLAKE: But my argument is that it's so bad that we can assume the worst, regardless. They can redact everything but honest credible journalists can no longer give the benefit of the doubt to the President of The United States. He's a known liar! There's no longer any excuse for any spin. It's too serious for that. This transcends Republicans or Democrats, this goes to the heart of the next century. So the worst case has to be assumed. It can be redacted but who cares. Regardless of how much they redact, the worst has already happened and it happened because of Bill Clinton.

It's already to late. We now have to break the conspiracy and hope that we can move to the new generation of missiles like missile defense, new strategic weapons on the drawing board that may protect us, but we are not there yet so we really have to ring the alarm bell. I wouldn't speak like this if I didn't truly believe it. I don't want to scare America, but right now it's a wake up call and the fire bell is ringing. There's a fire right now and the fire is that all our nuclear secrets are open to the rogue nations and The People's Republic of China.

QUESTION: What is your opinion of the revelation that apparently all U.S. nuclear weapons data was lost to China through the "Legacy codes" on the Clinton administration's watch?

TIMPERLAKE: I believe it. It's accurate, it's factual, it's real, everything. It was a very clever operation. We don't know what we don't know! If we are not talking the nuclear stuff, I mean we are doing military to military, you know it's the small stuff that also hurts you. It's letting them watch logistics, it's letting the PRC having access to how air operations are run, it's letting the PRC go into our test range and into anti submarine warfare training facilities in San Diego. They see all of this. So not only is the nuclear equation in jeopardy but the conventional weaponry and the conventional tactics are being exposed to PRC in a very open and dangerous way as well.

There is going to be a terrible historical accounting and those who have compromised and trimmed their sails to the prevailing wind should be held accountable.